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Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.
Episodes
Thursday Jun 30, 2022
Thursday Jun 30, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 5: Chelsea Levy
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Chelsea Levy (she/her) about her embodiment journey. This is part 2, the encore, of our first-ever two-part episode!
Chelsea Levy (she/her) is a Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor and registered dietitian nutritionist. She earned her Master of Science from Hunter College and completed her dietetic internship at the City of New York (CUNY) School of Public Health. Chelsea utilizes Health at Every Size® (HAES®) principles in her approach to nutrition therapy. She works with individuals struggling with disordered eating and eating disorders, with a focus on weight-inclusive medical nutrition therapy, body image healing, and Intuitive Eating. Chelsea has interest in treating individuals with diabetes, and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) along with folks, who are in larger-bodies, and those who are transgender or non-binary. She believes it is vital to provide care relevant to an individual’s culture, ethnicity, and overall identities. Chelsea hosts a collaborative space for the exploration of food and body healing through creativity and compassion.
Instagram: @ChelseaLevyNutrition
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of dissociation
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-5-chelsea-levy-encore/#captions/
A few highlights:
6:54: Chelsea discusses her understanding of “the rest of us”
11:04: Chelsea shares embodiment practices do you recommend for folks experiencing various stages of eating disorder recovery
41:36: Chelsea shares how she help clients tune into the nuance of their lived experiences
52:46: Chelsea discusses her take on IE, HAES® and AND
1:06:24: Chelsea shares her online eating support on IG
1:15:27: Chelsea discusses ways in which conversations about embodiment miss the mark by letting systems and those in power off the hook
1:24:49: Chelsea shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:30:47: Chelsea discusses how to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (1)
ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (2)
BIPOC Eating Disorder Conference
Food Insecurity and Eating Disorders
Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES® movement)
Stress and Digestion (2): (TW/CW for the second page and fatphobic suggestions)
Fat Positive and Fat Liberation Reading Recommendations Beyond HAES® lists from Nikki Haggett and Vinny Welsby
Here is some info about what went on since March of 2022 regarding HAES® and the book’s author: here, here, here, and here among others (with updates to some of those here and here).
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jun 16, 2022
Thursday Jun 16, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 4: Chelsea Levy
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Chelsea Levy (she/her) about her embodiment journey. This is part 1 of our first-ever two-part episode!
Chelsea Levy (she/her) is a Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor and registered dietitian nutritionist. She earned her Master of Science from Hunter College and completed her dietetic internship at the City of New York (CUNY) School of Public Health. Chelsea utilizes Health at Every Size® (HAES®) principles in her approach to nutrition therapy. She works with individuals struggling with disordered eating and eating disorders, with a focus on weight-inclusive medical nutrition therapy, body image healing, and Intuitive Eating. Chelsea has interest in treating individuals with diabetes, and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) along with folks, who are in larger-bodies, and those who are transgender or non-binary. She believes it is vital to provide care relevant to an individual’s culture, ethnicity, and overall identities. Chelsea hosts a collaborative space for the exploration of food and body healing through creativity and compassion.
Instagram: @ChelseaLevyNutrition
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of dissociation
Trigger Warnings:
58:19: A discussion of fatphobia that can exist when discussing the fatness spectrum
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-4-chelsea-levy/#captions/
A few highlights:
4:32: Chelsea shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
44:08: Chelsea discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
1:33:08: Chelsea shares embodiment practices for folks experiencing various stages of eating disorder recovery
Links from this episode:
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jun 02, 2022
Thursday Jun 02, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 3: Molly Adler
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Molly Adler(she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Molly is a Certified Sex Therapist with the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT). Her practice Sex Therapy New Mexico is based in Albuquerque, New Mexico on Tiwa land. She works with a lot of clients who are LGBTQ2S+, BIPOC, anti-racist, activists, polyamorous, and/or kink identified. Her approach is compassionate, grounded, pleasure-centered, light-hearted & social justice oriented. She enjoys the micro-level therapeutic work, as well as working towards structural change by offering training for healthcare providers and institutions who want to be more inclusive of sexual and gender diversity in their work. Previously she co-founded and co-directed Self Serve Toys, New Mexico’s first and only sex-positive, health- and education-focused adult shop and resource center for its first eight years.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of dissociation, mention of rape culture
Trigger Warnings:
33:12: Molly discusses sexual violence and abuse
1:09:59: Chavonne uses a term that is harmful to some of those experiencing gender expansiveness
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-3-molly-adler/#captions/
A few highlights:
4:55: Molly shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
15:37: Molly discusses how the pandemic has affected her devotion to embodiment, what lights her up up on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone
35:46: Molly shares how one’s sense of embodiment impacts sexual pleasure and vice-a-versa
49:30: Molly discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
1:09:38: Molly discusses gender expansiveness and embodiment practices for those experiencing it
1:21:35: Molly shares her definition of pleasure liberation
1:29:10: Molly discusses Self Serve and Aliso Roots Community Collective and why physical spaces are important in fostering liberation
1:42:12: Molly shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:47:37: Molly discusses where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Fight-Flight-Freeze-Fawn Response
Internal Family Systems Therapy
Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha
Also, two extra resources Molly wanted to pass along!
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday May 19, 2022
Thursday May 19, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 2: Lindley Ashline
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Lindley Ashline creates photographs that celebrate the unique beauty of bodies that fall outside conventional "beauty" standards. She fights weight stigma by giving fat people a safe place to explore how their bodies look on camera and by increasing the representation of fat bodies in photography, advertising, fine art and the world at large.
Lindley is also the creator of Body Liberation Stock (body-positive stock images for commercial use) and the Body Love Shop (a curated resource for body-friendly products and artwork). Find Lindley's work and get her free weekly Body Liberation Guide at http://bit.ly/bodyliberationguide.
Website: http://www.bodyliberationphotos.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bodyliberationwithlindley/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bodyliberationphotos/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/lindleyashline
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of trauma and complex trauma, discussion of healthism, mention of unintentional weight loss, discussion of internalized fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
58:45: Jenn discusses her internalized fatphobic messages
1:02:48: Lindley discusses harmful stereotypes about fat people
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-2-lindley-ashline/#captions/
A few highlights:
4:13: Lindley shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
37:37: Lindley discusses how the pandemic has affected her devotion to embodiment, what lights her up up on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone
1:26:15: Lindley discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
1:29:44: Lindley discusses fat liberation, body liberation, and photography
1:46:22: Lindley shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:54:14: Lindley shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Lindley’s Definitions of Liberation
Lindley’s Medium Article about Photoshopping
Here is some info about what went on since March of 2022 regarding HAES® and the book’s author, including direct harm of our interviewee: here, here, here, and here among others (with updates to some of those here and here).
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday May 05, 2022
Thursday May 05, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 1: Season 2 Intro
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss season 2! They answer some of the questions they asked their incredible interviewees during the upcoming season.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of racism, discussion of internalized ableism and fatphobia, mention of mental health struggles
Trigger Warnings:
51:43: Discussion about Lindo Bacon’s harm. Here is some info about what has been going on for the last two months: here, here, here, and here among others (with updates to some of those here and here). Unfortunately, further updates center the one who harmed and do not center the most marginalized, so they are not included here within these show notes.
1:21:13: Chavonne mentioned Virgie Tovar’s book. Due to us just learning about past harm caused by Virgie Tovar to Black and superfat folks, we do not link to her book.
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-1-season-intro/#captions
A few highlights:
1:54: Chavonne and Jenn share what stood out for them most from Season 1
10:05: Jenn and Chavonne discuss embodiment as a pleasure practice
30:52: Chavonne and Jenn discuss how to tune into the nuance of embodiment through many life experiences
43:12: Jenn and Chavonne share embodiment practices for folks moving through grief and toward liberation
51:40: Chavonne and Jenn share their takes on IE and HAES in light of problematic events that took place in 2021
1:08:55: Jenn and Chavonne share how they intend to center and send more compensation to those in marginalized spaces
1:17:47 Chavonne and Jenn discuss bibliotherapy and reading about body liberation
Links from this episode:
Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES movement)
Medium Article re: Paying a Tribal Land Rent
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Twitter: @embodimentus
Thursday Mar 17, 2022
Thursday Mar 17, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 10: Season 1 Wrap-Up
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) review season 1–all they learned and unlearned and plans for season 2!
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of classism, discussion of ableism, mention of mental health struggles, mention of trauma and complex trauma, mention of healthism
Trigger Warnings:
1:25:13: Discussion about Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in October of 2021)
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-10-wrap-up/#captions
A few highlights:
2:40: Chavonne and Jenn share their own embodiment practices and devotions
16:01: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how the pandemic has affected their senses of embodiment and when they are feeling most embodied
42:37: Chavonne and Jenn discuss they support someone’s goal of managing their health without veering into healthism as well as how they navigate the biases and stigmas inherent in their education
1:10:30: Jenn and Chavonne discuss where HAES® and IE fall short
1:27:34: Chavonne and Jenn share how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:34:35: Jenn and Chavonne share where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Fat Positive and Fat Liberation Reading Recommendations Beyond HAES® lists from Nikki Haggett and Vinny Welsby
Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES movement)
What We Don’t Talk About When We Talk About Fat
Also: Information about the ABA and its harmful ways
- A thread on the issues with ABA and what the founder has said (CW: dehumanizing of autistic people)
- A whole website of links
- An amazing (heart breaking and shocking lots of TWs) podcast episode on the horrible founder (who also founded conversion therapy)
Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Tuesday Mar 01, 2022
Tuesday Mar 01, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 9: Denise Friedman
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Denise Friedman (she/her) about their embodiment journey.
Denise Friedman, LCSW (she/her) is a lifelong rad fatty and clinical social worker. She was born a New Yorker and has been welcomed by New Mexico. Her practice focuses on general mental health as well as trauma work, particularly complex trauma and childhood emotional neglect. She is committed to providing a safe space to be seen, heard, accepted, and affirmed to all who come to her office (or telehealth room). When Denise went online for the first time in 1999, the first thing she did was look for other fat people. She has been seeking and helping to create fat community both online and in person ever since her first Yahoo!Groups post all those years ago. Denise believes in the revolutionary power of fat people taking pleasure in food and can nearly always be found cooking food, reading about food, or sharing food with others.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of trauma and complex trauma, mention of healthism
Trigger Warnings:
10:34: Denise uses the word “nuts” in a way that can be seen as stigmatizing mental health
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-9-denise-friedman/#captions
A few highlights:
4:05: Denise shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
16:09: Denise discusses how the pandemic has affected her devotion to embodiment
30:28: Denise discusses what lights them up up on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone
36:06: Denise discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
49:32: Denise shares what complex PTSD (C-PTSD) is as it relates to bodies and embodiment
57:17: Denise discusses where HAES® and IE fall short
1:05:26: Denise shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:16:57: Denise shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Feb 10, 2022
Thursday Feb 10, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 8: Jess Kennard
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jess Kennard (they/she) about their embodiment journey. To learn more about their work, check out their website, www.jesskennard.com.
Jess Kennard MA, LMHC, ATR-P is a clinical art therapist and eco-arts facilitator working on land belonging to the Tiwa speaking people in what is also called Albuquerque, New Mexico. They practice expressive eco-arts therapy which combines various creative modalities with the healing potential of the natural world. Jess's work focuses on clients healing their relationship with their body to belong to themselves more fully. They strive to model anti-oppressive practice, radical consent, fat-positivity, and environmental stewardship through their life and therapeutic work. Jess also leads dream exploration groups, expressive arts workshops, and one-on-one creative well-being sessions in addition to their private practice. Visit Jess @thesacredthird on Tumblr and Pinterest to follow along with their latest.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of family and complex trauma, mention of compulsive exercise, mention of chronic pain, discussion of anti-queer violence
Trigger Warnings:
32:28: Jess discusses a history of compulsive movement
53:38: Jess discusses an experience of anti-queer violence
56:11: Jess discusses the most recent TX anti-abortion law
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-8-jess-kennard/#captions
A few highlights:
4:58: Jess shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey
19:59: Jess discusses how the pandemic has affected their devotion to embodiment
37:00: Jess discusses what lights they do on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone
47:57: Jess discusses their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they is a part of that, as well as their privileges
59:05: Jess shares what eco-therapy and expressive arts are as they relate to bodies and embodiment
1:07:51: Jess shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:14:13: Jess shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jan 27, 2022
Thursday Jan 27, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 7: Sheila Ciminera
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Sheila Ciminera (she/her) about her embodiment journey. To learn more about her work, check out her website, bearwitnesstherapy.com.
Sheila Ciminera, LCSW, is a social worker and owner of To Bear Witness Therapy. Over the past 17 years, she has had the privilege of being case manager, program developer, individual and group therapist, clinical supervisor, acudetox specialist, professor, and trainer. Her primary focus is supporting helping professionals with compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma. She also specializes in working with individuals dealing with trauma, addictions, and justice involvement- all through the lens of trauma-informed care and harm reduction. She loves punk rock, yoga, traveling, art, and her two beautiful pit bulls.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of medical fatphobia, discussion of detoxing, mention of juice cleansing, discussion of substance usage and addiction, discussion of incarceration, discussion of trauma, discussion of the stigma against formerly incarcerated people
Trigger Warnings:
57:13: Sheila discusses Lizzo going on a detox
1:12:05: Sheila discusses women being shackled during childbirth and then having their babies taken away
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-7-sheila-ciminera/#captions
A few highlights:
5:07: Sheila shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
9:39: Sheila discusses what lights her up and how to make this accessible for everyone
30:33: Sheila discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
40:10: Sheila discusses how to account for trauma related to body size and/or fatness within trauma-informed model of care
47:52: Sheila discusses where HAES® and IE fall short
55:00: Sheila discusses her take on the connection between healthism and harm reduction
1:10:46: Sheila discusses how formerly incarcerated women are left out of traditional wellness, body image, and embodiment conversations
1:27:13: Sheila shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:30:55: Sheila shares how to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Oxytocin Connection Between Dogs and Their Humans
Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Nov 11, 2021
Thursday Nov 11, 2021
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 6: Tiana Dodson
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Tiana Dodson is a fat, Body Liberation Coach and Facilitator who’s out to destroy the belief that you have to be skinny to be happy and healthy, loveable, or worthy. Through her work with the Fat Freedom programs, she guides people feminine-of-center to reconnect with their bodies, destigmatize fatness, and learn about the harms of health being a measure of worth... all while finding how they can live their best fat lives.
Links:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamtianadodson/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tianathecoach/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamtianadodson
Fat Freedom Foundation, introductory support community for body liberation: https://tianadodson.com/becomefff
Fat Freedom Moments, text message subscription service for a moment of Body Liberation in a Day Full of Diet Culture Nonsense: https://tianadodson.com/ffmoments
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of war and colonialism, mention of ableism, mention of neurodiversity barriers, mention of abusive relationships, mention of cults
Trigger Warnings:
41:33-52:23: A discussion of fatphobia in airplane travel
49:36: Tiana uses the word “crazy” to emphasize how the word has been weaponized against women and femmes and/or those with mental health diagnoses
52:57: Jenn discusses wheelchairs damaged on flights (and Jenn repairs in the moment at 51:42!)
55:33: Tiana discusses Hitler and the lack of self-awareness of those demanding conformity to dominance
1:23:13: Chavonne discusses Overeaters Anonymous
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-6-tiana-dodson/#captions
A few highlights:
4:28: Tiana shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
59:14: Tiana discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
1:25:13: Tiana discusses where HAES® and IE fall short
1:40:33: Tiana discusses the “safety of sovereignty”
1:48:22: Tiana shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:50:23: Tiana shares how to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Audre Lorde’s Quote about A Single-Issue Life
Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-Fatness as Anti-Blackness
Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia
Wheelchairs Being Broken on Flights
Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus