Embodiment for the Rest of Us
Tiana Dodson and Fat Freedom - EFTROU: S1, Ep6

Tiana Dodson and Fat Freedom - EFTROU: S1, Ep6

November 11, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 6: Tiana Dodson

 

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

 

Tiana Dodson is a fat, Body Liberation Coach and Facilitator who’s out to destroy the belief that you have to be skinny to be happy and healthy, loveable, or worthy. Through her work with the Fat Freedom programs, she guides people feminine-of-center to reconnect with their bodies, destigmatize fatness, and learn about the harms of health being a measure of worth... all while finding how they can live their best fat lives.

Links:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamtianadodson/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tianathecoach/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamtianadodson

Fat Freedom Foundation, introductory support community for body liberation: https://tianadodson.com/becomefff

Fat Freedom Moments, text message subscription service for a moment of Body Liberation in a Day Full of Diet Culture Nonsense: https://tianadodson.com/ffmoments

 

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of war and colonialism, mention of ableism, mention of neurodiversity barriers, mention of abusive relationships, mention of cults

 

Trigger Warnings:

41:33-52:23: A discussion of fatphobia in airplane travel

49:36: Tiana uses the word “crazy” to emphasize how the word has been weaponized against women and femmes and/or those with mental health diagnoses

52:57: Jenn discusses wheelchairs damaged on flights (and Jenn repairs in the moment at 51:42!)

55:33: Tiana discusses Hitler and the lack of self-awareness of those demanding conformity to dominance

1:23:13: Chavonne discusses Overeaters Anonymous

 

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-6-tiana-dodson/#captions

 

A few highlights:

4:28: Tiana shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

59:14: Tiana discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

1:25:13: Tiana discusses where HAES® and IE fall short

1:40:33: Tiana discusses the “safety of sovereignty”

1:48:22: Tiana shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:50:23: Tiana shares how to be found and what’s next for her

 

Links from this episode:

Absolute Fat vs. Relative Fat

ADHD

Alishia McCullough

Audre Lorde

Audre Lorde’s Quote about A Single-Issue Life

Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-Fatness as Anti-Blackness 

Body Respect: What Conventional Health Books Get Wrong, Leave Out, and Just Plain Fail to Understand about Weight

Da’Shaun Harrison

Diet Culture

Executive Functioning

Fat Freedom Foundation

Fatness Spectrum

Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia

Health At Every Size® (HAES®)

Healthism

Interoception

Intuitive Eating

Kimberlé Crenshaw

Lindo Bacon

Lucy Aphramor

Medical-Industrial Complex

Proprioception

Sabrina Strings

“The Safety Of Sovereignty”

Wheelchairs Being Broken on Flights

The Wretched of the Earth

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

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Twitter: @embodimentus

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Nicola Haggett‘s Embodiment Journey - EFTROU: S1, Ep5

Nicola Haggett‘s Embodiment Journey - EFTROU: S1, Ep5

October 28, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 5: Nicola Haggett

 

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Nicola Haggett (she/her) about her embodiment journey. To learn more about her work, follow her on instagram under the handle @nicolahaggett or find her on her website, www.nicolahaggett.com

 

Nicola Haggett is a Body Trust Coach, Mentor, & Facilitator. She helps folks to unlearn body shame, rebuild self trust, and have a more compassionate, connected, and nourishing relationship with their "here and now" body. Nicola is a professionally trained, experienced and compassionately curious Coach, Certified Body Trust® Provider, Intuitive Eating Facilitator, and Open Heart Project Meditation Instructor.

 

She describes herself as fat (a word she has reclaimed as a neutral descriptor for her body) and her lived experience as a fat person are an important part of what she brings to her work. Nicola believes that it's possible to nourish, care for, and build trust with your body, despite living in a culture that tells you that you need to shrink to fit in. She sees clients online from her home in East London, where she lives with her husband, Ricky, and their two kids.

 

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of ableism, mention of neurodiversity barriers

 

Trigger Warnings:

14:39: Nicola discusses her experience of medical fatphobia during her pregnancies

18:37: Chavonne discusses her experience of medical fatphobia during her pregnancies

24:30: Jenn discusses wheelchairs damaged on flights

 

The captions for this episode can be found at

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-5-nicola-haggett/#captions

 

A few highlights:

4:40: Nicola shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

14:39 Nicola shares her experience of medical fatphobia during her pregnancies

29:27: Nicola discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

31:34: Nicola shares her daily embodiment practice and her take on the word “resilience”

Addendum: From Nicola: “I talk about my recent diagnosis with ADHD, and at a couple of points I refer to my kids' neurodiversity also. As I read more about what this means for both of us I have learned to use the word neurodivergence instead.”

1:04:57: Chavonne repairs with Nicola in the moment

1:07:34: Nicola discusses body stories and their intersections that come up with body justice and fat liberation

Addendum: Nicola credits Hilary Kivaney and Dana Sturtevant of BeNourished, who shared some of the questions as part of her Body Trust Provider training

1:17:45: Nicola discusses how trusting our bodies is the opposite of the search for a cure or purification

Addendum: Nicola wants to name that she is learning from Disability Justice and particularly Eli Clare's work

1:31:10: Nicola discusses how perfectionism benefits from our shame

Addendum: Nicola credits Tema Okun’s work in this regard and also credits Desiree Adaway, who first introduced her to the article below about white supremacy culture when she did Freedom School a few years ago

1:35:51: Nicola shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:39:29: Nicola shares how to be found and what’s next for her

 

Links from this episode:

ADHD

Adrienne Marie Brown

Be Nourished

The Body Is Not An Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor

Body Story

Body Trust

Brilliant Imperfection

Dana Sturtevant

Desiree Adaway

Disability Justice

Eli Clare

Executive Functioning

Freedom School

“Geriatric” Pregnancy Data from the 18th Century (1700s)

Hilary Kivaney

IFfirmations

Interoception

Kristi Colwell

Medical-Industrial Complex

"The Needy Podcast” episode with Nicola (CW: discusses medical fatphobia in pregnancy)

Niva Piran and the Developmental Theory of Embodiment

Octavia Butler 

Proprioception

Sonya Renee Taylor

Strozzi Institute

Tema Okun

Tourette Syndrome

Wheelchairs Being Broken on Flights

White Supremacy Culture Characteristics

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

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Our First Guest Alishia McCullough!!! - EFTROU: S1, Ep4

Our First Guest Alishia McCullough!!! - EFTROU: S1, Ep4

October 14, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 4: Alishia McCullough

 

It’s the first interview! Woohoo! Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Alishia McCullough (she/her) about her embodiment journey. To learn more about her work, feel free to connect with her on social media under the handle @blackandembodied.

 

Alishia McCullough is a millennial Licensed Clinical Mental Health Therapist currently residing in the DMV. She is also an independently published author of the book Blossoming. Alishia is passionate about racial healing, and anti-colonialism within eating disorders. She is motivated to increase access and create spaces for Black, Indigenous and People of the Global Majority to come together and heal in ways that inspire holistic wellness and liberation focused healing. Outside of her clinical work, she is a Co-Founder of the AmplifyMelanatedVoices Movement  and the Founder of The Holistic Black Healing Collective. Her work has been featured by Target, Bustle, Popsugar, LA Times, and Forbes.

 

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of ableism

 

Trigger Warnings:

53:20: Jenn discusses the history of slavery on Turtle Island

53:54: Jenn discusses mass graves in North American residential schools

1:24:26: Alishia discusses experimentation on and exploitation of Black people 

 

The captions for this episode can be found at

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-4-alishia-mccullough/#captions

 

 

A few highlights:

4:22: Alishia shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

11:08: Alishia discusses how her IG presence came to be

13:31: Alishia discusses starting the #AmplifyMelanatedVoices Movement with Jessica Wilson

21:07: Alishia discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

38:52: Alishia discusses how unchecked privilege from providers can cause harm

45:20: Alishia discusses how using BI&POC rather than BIPOC has changed her work

56:21: Correction: The activist discussed is Gloria Richardson and not Akeelah Richardson.

57:50: Alishia shares wise words to young people on how to support their embodied practices

1:06:47: Alishia discusses embodiment and religion

1:18:23: Alishia discusses how helping professionals can center the people they serve when working with them

1:24:51: Correction: The woman discussed is Sarah Baartman and not Sarah Barton.

1:28:31: Alishia shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

 

Links from this episode:

#AmplifyMelanatedVoices

Alishia McCullough

Alishia McCullough’s Patreon

Amplify Melanated Voices Movement

BI&POC vs BIPOC

Black and Embodied

Credentialism (“letters”)

Enslavement on Turtle Island

Fatness Spectrum

“Food Is Not The Enemy” Article

Gloria Richardson

Imposter Syndrome

Jessica Wilson

Mass Graves of North American Indigenous Residential Schools

Medical-Industrial Complex

Quote about Identity from Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie’s Novel “Half of a Yellow Sun”

Religious Trauma, White Supremacy, & Eating Disorders Online Panel

Rosie Mensah

Sage and Spoon

Sarah Baartman

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

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Twitter: @embodimentus

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Embodiment + The Rest of Us - EFTROU: S1, Ep3

Embodiment + The Rest of Us - EFTROU: S1, Ep3

September 30, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 3: Embodiment + The Rest of Us

 

In this episode, Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss their definitions of “embodiment” and “the rest of us”.

 

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of ableism

 

The captions for this episode can be found at

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-3-embodiment-rest-of-us/#captions

 

 

A few highlights:

2:29: Jenn shares her understanding of embodiment

5:37: Note: Credit to Lara Minges for the definition of embodiment being accessible for anyone who has breath and a shadow

12:46: Chavonne shares her understanding of embodiment

15:06: Correction: The collective mentioned is called Open Floor International. It is a movement collective and not solely a yoga collective.

26:04: Jenn shares her understanding of “the rest of us”

39:47: Chavonne shares her understanding of “the rest of us”

51:23: Jenn shares how she wants to make a difference from this conversation

1:01:00: Chavonne shares how she wants to make a difference from this conversation

 

 

Links from this episode:

10,000 Steps

Dr. Ann Saffi Biasetti

Catherine Cook-Cottone

Chelsea Levy

The Crown Act

Embodied Self Model

Fatmisia

Harm Reduction

Healthism

Illusory Truth Effect

Impostor Syndrome

Lara Minges

Microaggression

Niva Piran and the Developmental Theory of Embodiment

Open Floor International

Othering and Belonging Journal

Rachel Cargle

Rachel Cargle’s IG post about manifesting

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

Please follow us on social media:

Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com

Twitter: @embodimentus

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Co-Host Embodiment Journeys - EFTROU: S1, Ep2

Co-Host Embodiment Journeys - EFTROU: S1, Ep2

September 16, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us:  Season 1 , Episode 2: Co-Host Embodiment Journeys

 

In this episode, Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) discuss their personal journeys of embodiment.

 

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of eating disorders and disordered eating, mention of mental health struggles, mention of unintentional weight loss, mention of substance use, mention of neurodiversity barriers

 

Trigger warnings:

5:09-8:37: Chavonne discusses her history with Overeaters Anonymous

10:27-11:45: Chavonne discusses her pregnancy weight loss

22:41-25:00: Jenn discusses being sexually assaulted and her subsequent changed relationship with food

26:17-28:53: Jenn discusses binging and restricting behaviors with food, alcohol use, and her history with alcohol use

35:08-35:26: Jenn discusses an experience with medical fatphobia

48:17-50:01: Chavonne discusses being sexually assaulted and her subsequent changed relationship with food

50:05-53:00: Jenn discusses stopping drinking and how it affected her sexuality and embodiment

 

The captions for this episode can be found at

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-2-co-host-embodiment-journeys/#captions

 

 

A few highlights:

3:49: Chavonne shares her embodiment journey

19:18: Jenn shares her embodiment journey

29:40: Jenn discusses how public health creates harm

 

Links from this episode:

Cognitive Dissonance

Colorism

Fiona Sutherland

Health At Every Size® (HAES®)

Hunger by Roxane Gay

Illusory Truth Effect

Intuitive Eating

Marci Evans

Mixed-Type ADHD

Pima-Maricopa Tribe (CW: this link contains mention of the “o” words)

Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

Window of Tolerance

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

Please follow us on social media:

Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Co-Host Interviews - EFTROU: S1, Ep1

Co-Host Interviews - EFTROU: S1, Ep1

August 26, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 1: Co-Host Interviews

 

In this episode, Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interview one another in order to introduce themselves to the audience!

 

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of eating disorders, mention of mental health concerns

 

The captions for this episode can be found at

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-1-co-host-interviews/#captions

 

 

A few highlights:

2:29: Chavonne introduces herself

3:33: Correction: Chavonne has been a licensed clinical social worker since 2013

3:47: Correction: Chavonne says “making food with peace” when she meant “peace with food”

5:41: Jenn introduces herself

14:48: How Chavonne came up with this podcast

21:16: Why Jenn wanted to do this podcast, too

30:48 Correction: Jenn did not come up with this idea about HAES® being inside the Medical Industrial Complex, it came from Da’Shaun Harrison. Jenn also mispronounced their name. See link to Twitter thread below!

36:35: What “embodiment” and “the rest of us” mean to us

 

Links from this episode:

Da'Shaun Harrison's Twitter Thread: HAES®

Flow States

Kimberle Crenshaw's Twitter

Medical-Industrial Complex

Nothing About Us Without Us: Disability Oppression and Empowerment

Privilege Wheel

Yes Please by Amy Poehler 

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

Make sure to follow us on social media:

Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

EFTROU Trailer: Season 1

EFTROU Trailer: Season 1

June 24, 2021

Embodiment for the Rest of Us Trailer: Season 1

 

Embodiment for the Rest of Us premieres August 2021! Meet your hosts, Chavonne McClay (she/her) and Jenn Jackson (she/her), and learn what EFTROU will be all about.

 

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

 

The captions for this episode can be found at: https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-trailer/#captions

 

Captions

 

[Music Plays]

 

Chavonne (C): Hi, I’m Chavonne McClay.

 

Jenn (J): And I’m Jenn Jackson.

 

C: And this is Embodiment For The Rest of Us! Yay!

 

J: [squeals]

 

C: I’m so excited. [laughs]

 

J: We are.

 

C: I am a Black, fat woman and have been a Licensed Clinical Social Worker since 2010 and I’m really, really excited about this podcast. I have a private mental health practice called Unabridged Counseling and Coaching, LLC, and I live in Albuquerque, NM, on occupied Tiwa territory with my family, my husband and two kids. I--my clinical work focuses on healing relationships with food and your body and yourself as well as parental mental health. I--in all the work that I do, I make sure to center and hold space for those living in marginalized bodies and in marginalized spaces.

 

J: And I'm Jennifer “Jenn” Jackson. Call me Jenni, call me Jenn Jenn, call me anything you like, umm, this is just what I usually go by. I'm a Registered Dietitian and Nutritionist and Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor in Albuquerque, NM, on occupied Tiwa territory. I’m a provider in a white, fat body with ADHD and I have lived experience with diabetes as an adult. These connections that I've just mentioned inform my practice, Jenni K Nutrition LLC. Umm, and all the services that are offered, that I offer, are anti-oppressive, which includes, but is not limited to, anti-racist, fat positive, Health At Every Size®-aligned, queer-affirming, non-diet, nutritionally agnostic and food neutral, sex-positive, trauma-sensitive, from a neurodiversity approach, and both justice- and liberation-driven. 

 

C: “Embodiment for the Rest of Us” is the name of this podcast, as we said before. We’d like to define what those two ideas mean to us. So, “embodiment” is the validation of the experience of every individual both within themselves and within the world. When we talk about “the rest of us", we are talking about those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces or are likewise blocked from defining their own existence.

 

J: Ooh, that’s good. And where can you find this podcast, “Embodiment For The Rest Of Us”?  And that would be anywhere, everywhere, wherever you find your podcasts.

 

C: And our podcast will be ready for listening in late summer 2021 in August, which is really exciting!

 

J: [gasps] So exciting!

 

C: Yes!

 

J: It’s June right now as we’re recording this, so that’s not far off.

 

C: Yes.

 

J: And we’re about to start interviewing really soon and we are really excited.

 

C: Mm-hmm. Yes!

 

J: So why this topic, this podcast? We both listen to a lot of podcasts and we love really specific conversations about really similar topic happening sometimes on other podcasts, and what we're looking for is a discussion where this is happening all the time. So here we are making a podcast that’s by us, but also for us.

 

C: Yeah, kind of a one-stop shop.

 

J: Having the conversations we want to have. Umm, and we’re really excited! We’re going to say we’re excited a lot. And we also are really excited.

 

C: So much. We are. [laughs] Umm, how will this podcast progress? So, We will be interviewing professionals and those with lived experiences about these intersecting topics. It is also very important to us that this is an interaction with you, the listener!  We are excited to be in active conversation with you, as we learn and unlearn. 

 

J: Oh, and we cannot wait to be in conversation with you in August 2021!

 

[Music plays]

 

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