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Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.
Episodes
Thursday Jun 08, 2023
Thursday Jun 08, 2023
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 3: Alishia McCullough
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Alishia McCullough (she/her) about her somatic embodiment journey of reclaiming the Black body.
Alishia McCullough (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Therapist, Somatic Healer, Writer, and Culture Shifter supporting BIPOC folks to holistically heal their relationship with their bodies. She specializes in somatic therapy, trauma healing, and eating disorder treatment with a focus on increasing embodied awareness and liberation. She is the owner of Black and Embodied™ Counseling and Consulting PLLC, outside of her clinical work, she is a Co-Founder of the global Amplify Melanated Voices Movement 2020, and has worked as a mental health influencer in META's "wellbeing collective". Her work has been featured by Forbes, Target, Bustle, Times OC, and Black Girl Nerds. To learn more about her work, check out at blackandembodied.com and her Instagram account @blackandembodied.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, discussion of racism
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-3-alishia-mccullough/#captions
A few highlights:
6:36: Alishia shares her understanding of the complexities of embodiment for Black, Indigenous, and People of the Global Majority
36:45: Alishia discusses her devotion to her own embodiment and supporting others’ embodiment process
45:01: Alishia shares her process writing her book, Reclaiming the Black Body
53:11: Alishia discusses how she sees her support work expanding in the future
1:01:35: Alishia shares how she encourages others and herself to hold boundaries around checking in with capacity, tuning into misalignment, and reclaiming energy
1:25:37: Alishia discusses the linked parallels of trauma-informed and race-informed work
1:39:57: Alishia shares what’s next for her personally and professionally
Links from this episode:
On Being with Krista Trippett episode with Resmaa Menakem
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday May 25, 2023
Thursday May 25, 2023
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 2: Kymber Stephenson
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Kymber Stephenson (she/her) about re-embodiment, the stepping stones that support neurodivergent embodiment, and what’s next in her embodiment journey.
Kymber Stephenson (she/her) is a registered dietitian nutritionist living & working in Fort Collins, Colorado. As the Clinical Director at Side by Side Nutrition, she supports clients and clinicians in their exploration of what embodiment & food flexibility could be in today's world. Kymber came to this work passionate about inclusive disordered eating management and prevention. She believes all people deserve equitable access to quality food and evidence-based nutrition education, regardless of status or background. In this vein, she focuses on educating clients about the multi-faceted ways history, marketing, food systems, culture, psychology, and body image affect health and relationships to nutrition, food, and body.
Recognizing the complex, sometimes painful associations brought on by these challenges, she works with her clients to find their vision for their most peaceful relationship with food, acknowledging not only its nourishing properties, but truly embracing its comforts, tradition, and fun! Kymber's philosophy is that disordered eating is rooted primarily in an iceberg of social injustice, and that it is an individual's birthright to reclaim a peaceful, confident relationship with food while embracing satisfaction in their bodies and their overall lives.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, mention of anti-choice laws
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-2-kymber-stephenson/#captions
A few highlights:
4:30: Kymber shares how her understanding of the complexities of embodiment and neurodivergence, specifically ADHD, has changed for her
31:26: Kymber discusses re-embodiment
51:53: Kymber discusses the process of body imaging
1:12:43: Kymber shares how the complexities of all of the parts that live within us show up in embodiment work
1:27:52 Kymber discusses looking for “what’s next”
1:35:21: Kymber shares how body autonomy, personal agency, safety, and security are intrinsic to embodiment conversations
1:42:50: Kymber discusses and what’s next for her personally and professionally
Links from this episode:
ADHD and Children’s Self-Esteem
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents
The Blackfoot People’s Hierarchy of Needs
Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria
US Airplane Cockpit Measurement Study
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday May 11, 2023
Thursday May 11, 2023
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 1: Intro Episode
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss what’s coming up for them, and for you, in Season 3!
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of death of a family member
Trigger Warnings:
39:50: Jenn discusses trichotillomania and dermatillomania
The captions for this episode can be found at https://EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com/Season-3/Season-3-Episode-1-Season-Intro/#Captions
Links from this episode:
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com
Twitter: @EmbodimentUs
Instagram: @EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs
Thursday Oct 20, 2022
Thursday Oct 20, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 12: Season 2 Wrap-Up
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) review season 2–all they learned and unlearned–and plans for season 3! See you in 2023!!
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia, mention of eugenics
Trigger Warnings:
42:23: Jenn misgenders Michelle Phillips (they/them/theirs) and apologizes
1:14:21: Chavonne says the beginning of an ableist word
The captions for this episode can be found at
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-12-wrap-up/#captions/
A few highlights:
2:55: Chavonne and Jenn share their understanding of “embodiment” now
11:02: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their understanding of “the rest of us” now
33:53: Chavonne and Jenn share their most memorable moments from the season
42:34: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their biggest takeaways from the season
55:20: Chavonne and Jenn share what they’re looking forward to for season 3
1:18:09: Jenn and Chavonne discuss embodiment during their intentional rest break for the rest of 2022
Links from this episode:
Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES® movement)
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Oct 06, 2022
Thursday Oct 06, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 10: Jen McLellan
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jen McLellan (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Jen McLellan, CBE, is a published author, founder of Plus Size Birth, and host of the Plus Mommy Podcast. She helps people navigate the world of plus size pregnancy, shares tips for embracing your body, and laughs her way through the adventures of parenthood.
With over 7 million page views, Plus Size Bith is the premier plus size pregnancy resource trusted by parents and professionals. The Plus Mommy Podcast has over 280,000 downloads and was named one of the best pregnancy podcasts of 2022 by The Bump.
Jen's work has been featured in major publications, including The New York Times, Glamour, and Huffington Post.
As a public speaker, Jen has been featured at numerous events, including presenting at the National Institutes of Health. Jen is also a certified childbirth educator, wife, and mother to a charismatic twelve-year-old.
Plus Mommy Podcast - https://plusmommy.com/
Plus Mommy Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/plusmommy/
Plus Size Birth - https://plussizebirth.com/plus-size-pregnancy/
Plus Size Birth Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/plussizebirth/
My Size-Friendly Care Providers Guide (free guide on how to connect with a size-friendly care provider) - https://plussizebirth.com/subscribe/
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-11-jen-mclellan/#captions/
A few highlights:
5:19: Jen shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
13:05: Jen discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices
24:02: Jen shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
31:34: Jen discusses how podcasting has enhanced her connection to embodiment
36:56: Jen shares how advocating for fat pregnancy and birth has changed her own embodiment
52:36: Jen discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:00:19: Jen shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Jen’s Viral “Flying While Fat” IG Reel
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Sep 22, 2022
Thursday Sep 22, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 10: Kymber Stephenson
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Kymber Stephenson (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Kymber Stephenson is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist living and working in Colorado. Her experience began with a love of food which led her to pursue a degree in Culinary Arts from Johnson & Wales University. As her love of science and helping people wove with that initial path, she continued on to a Bachelor of Science in Culinary Nutrition with a dual concentration in clinical dietetics and culinary food science. From there, her background spanned diverse roles across the food, nutrition, and healthcare sectors as she went on to ground in medical nutrition therapy.
Kymber is especially passionate about disordered eating management and prevention. In this vein, she focuses on educating clients about the multi-faceted ways history, marketing, food systems, culture, psychology, and body image affect health and relationships to nutrition, food, and body. She works with clients to restore & build their relationship with food, acknowledging not only its nourishing properties, but truly embracing its comforts, tradition, and fun! Kymber is a strong believer in a whole person approach, embracing integrated body image counseling which often goes far deeper than simply body or image.
Working in a client-guided manner and Health at Every Size-informed, she strives to help each unique person reach their idea of peace and satisfaction in their bodies and their overall lives. Kymber's driving philosophy is that all people deserve equitable access to quality food, evidence-based nutrition education, informed consent, and bodily autonomy regardless of status or background.
Socials: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kymberstephenson
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of ableism, discussion of healthism
Trigger Warnings:
49:18: Kymber discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in April 2022)
1:13:44: Chavonne discusses how white supremacy culture impacts her eating behaviors
The captions for this episode can be found at
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-10-kymber-stephenson/#captions/
A few highlights:
2:49: Kymber shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
14:54: Kymber discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices
34:54: Kymber shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
48:20: Kymber discusses her take on IE, HAES® and AND
1:26:06: Kymber shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation as well as where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (1)
ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (2)
Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES® movement)
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Sep 08, 2022
Thursday Sep 08, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 9: Dr. Joy Cox
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Dr. Joy Cox (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Dr. Joy Cox is a body justice advocate using her skill set in research and leadership to foster social change through the promotion of fat acceptance and diversity and inclusion. With 39 years living as a fat, Black cisgendered woman and 8+ years of professional experience under her belt, Dr. Cox draws on her own experiences and skillset to amplify the voices of those most marginalized in society, bringing attention to matters of intersectionality addressing race, body size, accessibility, and "health."
Joy has been featured on several podcasts and media productions such as Food Psych with Christy Harrison, Nalgona Positivity Pride with Gloria Lucas, Fat Women of Color with Ivy Felicia, and the New York Times. Her book, Fat Girls in Black Bodies: Creating Communities of Our Own was released in 2020 and has received outstanding reviews and been featured in advocacy work near and far. Dr. Cox is the voice of an overcomer, looking to propel others into a place of freedom designed by their desires.
Website links:
Jabbie - www.getjabbie.com
Twitter - @DrJoyCox
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of ableism, discussion of healthism
Trigger Warnings:
55:48: Joy discusses legislation that is harmful to the LGBTQIA+ community
The captions for this episode can be found at
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-9-joy-cox/#captions/
A few highlights:
4:10: Joy shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
8:19: Joy discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices
19:10: Joy shares embodiment practices for those adultified as children
33:09: Joy discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
44:31: Joy shares the connection between community and embodiment
49:50: Joy discusses how structural change and community impact embodiment
1:02:43: Joy shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation as well as where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Aug 25, 2022
Thursday Aug 25, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 8: Shelby Gordon
August 25, 2022
Shelby is a retired world-champion, professional dieter who broke the chains of restriction, excessive exercise, and body hatred by embracing Body Trust®. She now works with helping professionals and organizations to ignite and elevate their awareness of the intersection of fusion of systemic racism and dehumanizing diet culture. She is an awesome daughter, prolific social media disrupter and future puppy owner.
The captions for this episode can be found at:
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-8-shelby-gordon/#captions/
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture and behaviors, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of co opting of BIPOC practices, discussion of healthism
Trigger Warnings:
11:57, 13:55, and 59:20: Shelby uses the word “tribe” in a way that is offensive
11:59: Shelby discusses a suicide
21:50: Shelby discusses the murder of George Floyd
30:01: Shelby discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in early March 2022)
42:50 and 55:16: Shelby uses the word “crazy” in a way that is ableist
A few highlights:
3:55 Shelby shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
19:41: Shelby discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices
32:17: Shelby shares how her social media work affects her own embodiment
40:03: Shelby discusses how humor can be helpful with practicing embodiment
44:19: Shelby discusses the lack of nuance of embodiment in social media
53:16: Shelby shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
1:12:06: Shelby discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:26:04: Shelby shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Episode Editing:
A special shout out to Christine Anatone at Anatone Creative, who was our editor for this episode. THANK YOU CHRIS!!!
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Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
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Thursday Aug 11, 2022
Thursday Aug 11, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 7: Jennifer Radke
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jenn Radke (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Jennifer Radke is the host of the podcast, Fat Girl Book Club, and a podcasting coach. Her body image journey started with sneaking cookie dough out of the deep freezer at the age of eight, moved through a bunch of different diets, at least three goal weight celebrations, two bodybuilding competitions and culminated in an eating disorder. When she finally figured out that she would never diet her way to self-love, she started reading. As she read, so many things began to fall into place and now her focus is on using the podcast to help others see that their body is something to cherished and loved.
Social Media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlbookclubpod/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063705813357
Fat Girl Book Club can be found on your podcast listening app of choice Podcasting Website: https://www.fearlesspodcasting.co
The captions for this episode can be found at:
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-7-jenn-radke/#captions/
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of eating disorders and disordered eating, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of ableism, discussion of co opting of BIPOC practices, discussion of healthism, discussion of weight loss surgery
Trigger Warnings:
5:06: Jenn R. discusses her eating disorder history
9:46: Jenn R. uses the word “crazy” in a way that may be ableist
10:21: Jenn R. discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in early March 2022)
25:43: Jenn R. discusses Virgie Tovar and her work (this author is now known to have caused harm to superfat and infinifat people, so there is no link to her work)
33:15: Jenn R. shares her experience with fitness magazines and body comparison
37:37: Jenn R. discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused (see note above)
37:57: Jenn R. discusses Caroline Dooner and her work (this author is now known to have caused harm due to her anti-vaxx stance and overall racist rhetoric, so there is no link to their work)
46:00: Jenn J. discusses Marilyn Manson and their book (this author is now known to have caused harm to intimate partners, so there is no link to their work)
51:31: Chavonne discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused (see note above)
52:52: Chavonne discusses Anita Johnston and her work (this author’s book is now known to have caused harm due to its weight stigma, so there is no link to their work)
1:03:10: Jenn R. discusses weight loss surgery
1:05:08: Jenn J. discusses the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library
1:14:03: Jenn J. discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused (see note above)
A few highlights:
4:31: Jenn R. shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
16:13: Jenn R. discusses their understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
31:14 Jenn R. shares how reading or bibliotherapy can help those moving toward embodiment
57:14: Jenn R. discusses how hosting a podcast about, by, and for fat people has enhanced her connection with embodiment
1:03:51 : Jenn R. discusses where HAES® and IE fall short
1:20:23: Jenn R. shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:25:21: Jenn R. discusses where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
FGBC Episode with Amanda Murphy
FGBC Episode with Maggie Landes, MD
FGBC Episode with Shadoe Ball 1
FGBC Episode with Shadoe Ball 2
Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES movement)
Killer Fat (TW: full title has the “O word”)
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jul 28, 2022
Thursday Jul 28, 2022
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 6: Michelle Phillips
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) about their embodiment journey.
Michelle Phillips, The Liberation Strategist, is a mental health and spiritual care practitioner with over 15 years of experience in transformational and holistic care. They have been on a journey of walking with individuals toward a deeper understanding of themselves on every level of wellness-spiritual, somatic, mental, and emotional. Michelle is the founder of Liberation Strategies, an agent of liberatory change which provides liberation coaching for individuals, nonprofits, and organizations. Compassionate and grounded in helping people realize their own power to cultivate change, Michelle creates space for clients to transmute their grief toward joy and liberation.
Michelle is an intuitive mental health clinician, coach, consultant, and facilitator. A native of Decatur, Georgia, a current resident, and a provisionally licensed clinician in Washington State, they hold a Master's in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Seattle University in Seattle, WA. In addition, Michelle is a 2020 National Board of Certified Counselors Minority Fellow for Clinical Mental Health Counseling.
Michelle is a parent, a partner, and a step-parent to two Cairn Terriers, Adler and Dempsey. Michelle loves being outside in forests, gardens, canyon, mountains, and at the water's edge when not working. They love learning more about herbs and plant relatives while hiking and walking in gardens. They also love singing, a deep and soothing balm for the soul.
Michelle, The Liberation Strategist
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of ableism, discussion of co opting of BIPOC practices
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-6-michelle-phillips/#captions/
A few highlights:
5:07: Michelle shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey
16:49: Michelle discusses how the pandemic has affected their devotion to embodiment, what lights them up up on a regular basis to feel embodied and how to make this accessible for everyone
35:15: Michelle shares how one’s sense of embodiment impacts their own liberation and efforts toward collective liberation
54:57: Michelle discusses their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
1:04:33: Michelle shares what liberation coaching is and embodiment practices for folks moving through grief and toward liberation
1:25:23: Michelle discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:28:30: Michelle discusses where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Healing Ourselves To Heal Others: A Virtual Conference
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus