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Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.
Episodes
Thursday Feb 20, 2025
Thursday Feb 20, 2025
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 11: Nikki Haggett
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Nikki Haggett (they/she) in a deep dive about relating across difference, murmuration as metaphor, and a sacred unmasking.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally,discussion of fascism, mention of childhood sexual abuse
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-11-nikki-haggett/#captions
A few highlights:
12:37: Nikki discusses the idea of embodiment while recognizing our own neurodivergence
30:05: Nikki discusses how training to be a Gestalt therapist is impacting their own embodiment
1:20:56: Nikki shares help she helps clients them notice how to stay embodied or even purposefully disembodied
1:33:59: Nikki discusses what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com
BlueSky: EmbodimentRestOfUs
Instagram: @EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs
Thursday Dec 19, 2024
Thursday Dec 19, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!)
Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and UC President's Dissertation Year Fellow in the Communication Department, Science Studies Program, and Critical Gender Studies Graduate Specialization at UC San Diego. Her dissertation will be available as an open access document in 1 or 2 months from this episode’s publication. She holds a BA in Biology from Wesleyan University, an MS in Narrative Medicine from Columbia University, and an MA in Communication from UC San Diego. Her research has been published in the Fat Studies Journal, Women’s Studies: An Interdisciplinary Journal, and the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. In 2021, she joined the Centre for Fat Liberation and Scholarship as an Inaugural Junior Fellow. Her research critically examines how anti-obesity efforts drive anti-fatness in the US and how the field of weight stigma research perpetuates anti-fatness through its refusal to divest from an anti-obesity agenda.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs), discussion of ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis)
Trigger Warnings:
This episode uses the word “obesity” throughout without being bleeped.
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-10-doctor-rachel-fox/#captions
A few highlights:
10:03: Rachel shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
18:35: Rachel discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
27:07: Rachel shares her passion project and how it has affected her own embodiment
1:31:21: Rachel discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:35:17: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
The Body is Not An Apology (Book)
The Body is Not An Apology (IG)
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Public Health’s Power-Neutral, Fatphobic Obsession with “Food Deserts”
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Dec 05, 2024
Thursday Dec 05, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs)
Trigger Warnings:
This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped.
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-9-rachel-fox/#captions
A few highlights:
14:00: Rachel shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
20:44: Rachel names her privileges and marginalizations
42:11: Rachel discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices
1:26:24: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus
Thursday Nov 28, 2024
Thursday Nov 28, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 8: Third and Final Deep Dive (this season hehe) with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for the final of a three-part deep dive about embodiment
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of current politics
Trigger Warnings:
None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-8-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
22:36: Lindley discusses her thin privilege series on social media
38:09: Lindley shares her boundaries when doing social media work
Links from this episode:
Lindley’s Master List of Resources
Accounts that Highlight the Intersection of Fatness and Disability
Imani Barbarin - https://www.instagram.com/crutches_and_spice/
Val - https://www.instagram.com/val_and.co/
J Aprileo - https://www.instagram.com/jayaprileo/
Corissa sometimes talks about disability - https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlflow/
Shilo George - https://www.instagram.com/shilogeorge/
FLARE - https://www.flareproject.org/
Sarah - https://www.instagram.com/fromsarahlex/
https://www.instagram.com/fatdisabledworthy/ ← project by Sarah (prior link)
Clarkisha - https://www.instagram.com/clarkishakent/ (writer often featuring the particular intersection of disability and fatness)
Dan - https://x.com/notdanhastings
Sydneysky G. - https://www.instagram.com/syddskyy/
Adrie Rose - https://www.instagram.com/adrierising/
Sami Schalk - https://www.instagram.com/fierceblackfemme
Jervae - https://www.instagram.com/jervae
Vinny - https://www.instagram.com/fierce.fatty
Sonny Jane Wise - https://www.instagram.com/livedexperienceeducator/
Angel Austin - https://www.instagram.com/sacredspaceforfatbodies/
Leah - https://www.instagram.com/fativism/
https://www.instagram.com/disabilitydecember/ ← yearly reading challenge
Mikey - https://www.instagram.com/fatmarquisele
Tigress - https://www.instagram.com/iofthetigress/
Dr Whitney Trotter - https://www.instagram.com/whitneytrotter.rd/
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jul 18, 2024
Thursday Jul 18, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-7-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
3:49: Lindley shares the pond as a metaphor for embodiment
41:47: Lindley discusses the Body Liberation Blanket Fort
1:12:03: Lindley shares how disability as a framework feels related to embodiment conversations
Links from this episode:
Fat Woman with Surgery Scar Stock Photo
Intersectionality: Key Concepts
Nicola Haggett’s Embodiment Journey
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jul 04, 2024
Thursday Jul 04, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
44:33: Lindley mentions death threats
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
5:43: Lindley shares embodiment as conversation and/or partnership with our bodies
35:45: Lindley discusses “capitalist mythology” in the average body positivity/liberation conversation
1:45:13: Lindley shares the idea of embodiment as a practice of depth and clarity
Links from this episode:
The 11 Reasons Why People Hate Fat People
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Jun 06, 2024
Thursday Jun 06, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.
Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-5-michelle-phillips/#captions
A few highlights:
8:53: Michelle discusses the simplicities and complexities (equally) of embodiment as we go about our daily lives
Links from this episode:
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday May 09, 2024
Thursday May 09, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin
Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her) interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey.
Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last few years she has created over a dozen trending hashtags that allow disabled folk the opportunity to have their perspectives heard while forcing the world to take notice. #PatientsAreNotFaking, #ThingsDisabledPeopleKnow, #AbledsAreWeird and others each provide a window into disabled life while forming community. Imani is from the Philadelphia area and holds a Masters in Global Communications from the American University of Paris, her published works include those in Forbes, Rewire, Healthline, BitchMedia and more. She runs the blog CrutchesAndSpice.com and a podcast of the same name.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of medicalized racism, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, mentions of ableism, mentions of suicide, discussion of ageism
Trigger Warnings:
58:30: Imani discusses weight loss surgery and eating disorders
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-4-imani-barbarin/#captions
A few highlights:
4:47: Imani shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
19:40: Imani discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices
47:22: Imani shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
59:33: Imani discusses her work with social media misinformation/disinformation and disability advocacy
1:14:11: Imanin shares how her embodiment around phobias and -isms
1:16:51: Imani discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:24:24: Imani shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
American with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA)
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Apr 04, 2024
Thursday Apr 04, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey.
Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com. They work from an anti-oppressive, relational lens that helps inform how they approach supervision and therapy. They specialize in working with marginalized communities, complex trauma, dissociation, and much more. They are a trans non-binary neurodivergent human of Middle Eastern descent, raised by an immigrant mother. They reside in New Mexico with their spouse, two children, and three cats. In their spare time, they spend a lot of time imagining and writing fantasy stories as a special interest.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings:
53:24: Chavonne uses “crazy” in a way that is ableist.
The captions for this episode can be found at
A few highlights:
3:54: Niyera shares their understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
9:28: Niyera discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices
28:14: Niyera shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
31:42: Niyera discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
42:55: Niyera shares how their own work and supporting clients has changed and challenged their relationship with their own embodiment
1:00:47: Niyera discusses their experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems
1:13:50: Niyera discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:21:29: Niyera shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
Thursday Mar 07, 2024
Thursday Mar 07, 2024
Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 2: Deep Dive with Tiana Dodson
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment and children.
Content Warning: discussion of sexuality
Trigger Warnings:
1:45:30: Tiana uses “insane” in a way that is ableist
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-2-tiana-dodson/#captions
A few highlights:
7:06: Tiana discusses how children are embodiment teachers
59:32: Tiana shares how capacity and capability are distinct parts of embodiment
1:19:36: Tiana discusses creating and fostering foster relationships of liberation
1:37:00: Tiana shares what she’s doing next
Links from this episode:
Being You: A First Conversation about Gender
In This Body: Finding Liberation Virtual Conference
Other People Are In The Way of Your Liberation
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus